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	<title>Comments on: The Real Crisis In Music Education</title>
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		<title>By: Paddy Hare</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paddy Hare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 10:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember a few months ago whilst i was volunteering at a youth charity i was killing some time before the start of a group session with a bunch of young people and careers advisor who i&#039;d only just met. the conversation led to me talking about what i was doing whilst volunteering (finishing my music performance degree part time) and when i said i was finishing my music degree i was met with the sarcastic response &quot;Oh well that&#039;ll really help you get a job.&quot;

I&#039;ve never wanted a bloody job! i&#039;m fundamentally opposed to the idea of &#039;jobs&#039; however i&#039;m all for being paid to do something i&#039;m good at and enjoy doing. 

while it&#039;d be ideal if studying was simply getting better at what you love then things would be a lot simpler, but the need for money to survive is inescapable. I feel that rather than gearing the education towards getting jobs (if i hear the phrase &#039;graduate qualities&#039; ever again i may be forced to bludgeon LC to death...) the focus should be on how to use your skills and passion to earn money. to clarify slightly, i mean create your own systems to work within rather than opting into someone elses (ie getting a job, signing a deal etc)

i guess maybe the ideal ultimate goal for any educational institution is to reder itself obselete for its students, and give them the skills they need to teach themselves, and perhaps even more importantly, the skills to teach others themselves?

(apologies for any lack of clarity!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember a few months ago whilst i was volunteering at a youth charity i was killing some time before the start of a group session with a bunch of young people and careers advisor who i&#8217;d only just met. the conversation led to me talking about what i was doing whilst volunteering (finishing my music performance degree part time) and when i said i was finishing my music degree i was met with the sarcastic response &#8220;Oh well that&#8217;ll really help you get a job.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never wanted a bloody job! i&#8217;m fundamentally opposed to the idea of &#8216;jobs&#8217; however i&#8217;m all for being paid to do something i&#8217;m good at and enjoy doing. </p>
<p>while it&#8217;d be ideal if studying was simply getting better at what you love then things would be a lot simpler, but the need for money to survive is inescapable. I feel that rather than gearing the education towards getting jobs (if i hear the phrase &#8216;graduate qualities&#8217; ever again i may be forced to bludgeon LC to death&#8230;) the focus should be on how to use your skills and passion to earn money. to clarify slightly, i mean create your own systems to work within rather than opting into someone elses (ie getting a job, signing a deal etc)</p>
<p>i guess maybe the ideal ultimate goal for any educational institution is to reder itself obselete for its students, and give them the skills they need to teach themselves, and perhaps even more importantly, the skills to teach others themselves?</p>
<p>(apologies for any lack of clarity!)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbasscamp.com/2009/09/the-real-crisis-in-music-education/comment-page-1/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 23:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Pete - I made that point at Leeds, that the educators were in a no-win situation where the skills required and the motivation to acquire them were at odds with the system in which the college/uni functioned, and what they needed to do in order to get funding/accreditation etc. 

I have every sympathy with the music departments wrestling with this, and those that recognise the tension are in a much better position to hold that tension creatively and carve out a path that gets as close to meeting both sets of demands as possible. 

I also mentioned that one of the most valuable skils  I learned at Perth was learning how to teach, by watching you, and learning where to be hands-off, and just act in an advisory capacity in order to facilitate self-discovery. You did that brilliantly.... and I think I might have passed ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Pete &#8211; I made that point at Leeds, that the educators were in a no-win situation where the skills required and the motivation to acquire them were at odds with the system in which the college/uni functioned, and what they needed to do in order to get funding/accreditation etc. </p>
<p>I have every sympathy with the music departments wrestling with this, and those that recognise the tension are in a much better position to hold that tension creatively and carve out a path that gets as close to meeting both sets of demands as possible. </p>
<p>I also mentioned that one of the most valuable skils  I learned at Perth was learning how to teach, by watching you, and learning where to be hands-off, and just act in an advisory capacity in order to facilitate self-discovery. You did that brilliantly&#8230;. and I think I might have passed <img src='http://www.beyondbasscamp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Pete Honeyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Honeyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 22:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve - It&#039;s no coincidence that art schools have always been a more fertile spawning ground for bands than music colleges - for forty years they have found ways to give a &#039;creative space&#039; in education with very few rules.  Unfortunately, higher education funding in the UK is dependent on results, measured by numbers of graduates attaining qualifications, rather than on achievement measured by individual &#039;journey travelled&#039;.  Maybe one day a government will fund education just because it&#039;s a Good Thing, and not look for any measurable output, but I&#039;m not holding my breath - UKIP? Tories? don&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve &#8211; It&#8217;s no coincidence that art schools have always been a more fertile spawning ground for bands than music colleges &#8211; for forty years they have found ways to give a &#8216;creative space&#8217; in education with very few rules.  Unfortunately, higher education funding in the UK is dependent on results, measured by numbers of graduates attaining qualifications, rather than on achievement measured by individual &#8216;journey travelled&#8217;.  Maybe one day a government will fund education just because it&#8217;s a Good Thing, and not look for any measurable output, but I&#8217;m not holding my breath &#8211; UKIP? Tories? don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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